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Post by Racer on Feb 23, 2012 17:40:35 GMT -5
I have to agree i regret ever starting racing figure 8 and as of right now i have to much tied up into it all to just quit over the last 3 years ive been slowly using up all my stuff. Once my stuff is gone ill be done racing figure 8 i miss the old times when the idra wasnt involved in the racing seemed to have alot more fun racing. Its been fun but not real fun each year racing seems to loose more and more of the fun and thrill of it.
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Post by Racer also on Feb 23, 2012 21:54:45 GMT -5
Racer I agree. I am in the same dilemma. It has lost alot of the fun but, I'm not going to quit yet. I don't blame the IDRA though. Really I applaud alot of the work that they have achieved. At the same time I do agree with anti IDRA that there needs to be more follow through and consistency. I do think the IDRA can be a really good thing. Look at circle tracks that have IMCA backing, they are alot more successful then the ones that don't. I believe the decline in fun can be associated with higher fuel prices, higher entrance fees, lower pay-outs, how sophisticated we need to make the cars to compete, tracks going to one main and the rest consi's, among many other factors. Not just the IDRA. They have done good with what they have to work with. I just wished all the tracks would work with them. They had three out of the four but now just two out of the three. As far as everyone being members not every racer is a member. It is a $40 dollar fee to become a member. I do wish there was better communication, I mean they do have a website, I just wish it was used. I didn't even know they were going to do anything at the Brooklyn banquet. I was not there because Brooklyn does not think you are a racer worthy of getting in free unless you run there most of the year. Different topic there but, if I did know the IDRA was going to have anything there I most likely would have gone. So there is an IDRA website PLEASE use it. Especaily if there are any rule changes and make them stand out. As I know of there are no changes for next year. Am I wrong? Please cover everything in the rules too if it doesn't say I cant... I most likely will. Best to everyone on here and hope all things can get some resolution. Lets have FUN this upcoming season.
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Post by Anti Idra on Feb 24, 2012 8:39:39 GMT -5
Racer also. I appreciate the open forum. Maybe u can help shed some light on the picture where the idra refuses to answer. Where is this extra amount of money that the driver's and pit crew pay going? Racer also has a point where's the notification to people?
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Post by Anti Idra on Feb 24, 2012 8:49:13 GMT -5
I would like to know what they have achieved credit is due where its deserved but also credit is deserved when there is wrong to fix a problem you must call it out. But the detention of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Bringing things to idra hasn't worked since this all started. So instead of just blowing smoke I'm bringing it to the front line. What happens when the idra refuses to answer? Well what happens is the.people reading this and have issues with them will clearly see the idra not bringing the answers out and them again the history of the idra will show it self to more people. But racing is always fun
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Post by just a driver on Feb 24, 2012 9:36:35 GMT -5
What Burns me is the ablitly of the idra. We as racers go out there race and do alot to the cars and try to keep in a good mood put on a great show for family and friends. But where's the line enough? Anti idra has ally of valid points. First off from reading all these post I are tons of available information the idra could use. But topic 1 u say that u have to pay 40 dollars to be a idra member? I believe that is incorrect I believe what was said is the drivers paid extra at the track then the track paid the idra to make everyone a member. The 40 dollars was for the points in the idra and the drawings. But as anti idra pointed out where's the benefit of being a idra member. I do see peoples point on not wanting to be associated with it. And to put this out there I have lost sponsers for my car cause I'm a idra member and it makes me mad. There's nothing I can do to get out of the idra. My sponsors that paid my gas racing in the car and hauling it to the track. Now I know some of ya say that's part of racing. Buy how many of you out there would love sponsors that take care of all ur gas? That's alot of money especially with gas prices going up as they are I'm so mad that I lost so wonderful sponsors because of the idra. Not everyone has to agree on every issue that's part of racing but when it affects ur money for ur racing that's where I draw the line. Idra listen close. Give the drivers the opptunity to not be a part of ur goofy group. I want my sponsors back and don't have a chance as long as the idra is forcing me as a member. The idra has now got in my race funds and that's my problem not anyone else's but 130 a race times say 10 races do the math. As for the idra not answering questions I agree if ur a member and u have to follow what the idra says they should be held responsible and give answer's. Idra did get the tracks together but I have my own thoughts on that I believe alot of that was because they seen management change and differences was put to side. Any driver fan or crew people or track could go to each track and try to work out a agreement. I haven't seen the idra accomplish much if any sadly to say. All they have said hasn't come true. Rules in conplicance lets not even go there everyone knows there will be always bickering on the rules so that can't even be brought up. As far as anything else the idra has done I see or hear nothing. I think anti idra said something on the fact of u can only help those willing to be helped or ask for help. Idra wake up u started with help if u can't see the down fall of this then you are going to loose more and more. I do think a association would be a good thing but to stand behind the drivers. Not to be sticking your nose in rules money. If you have love for the sport u do it cause u love it u don't so it for something back. I attended the banquet and yes wash nice gesture for those in the top of the idra. But really you happy with that? Few people and a trophy? I couldn't look at the trophy and be proud cause the memory would only be there is only a few people in it. But was a good gesture. But making someone pay for a gesture is like a Indian giver. If you want to do something for someone you do it cause u want to. Racing has changed and will continental to change. At this time in the game the idra I don't think has the support it was hoping for it was a idea that they thought could go a good direction but was extrwmly poorly executed. Will I ever like the idra? Nope I won't I lost sponsors cause of it and any driver out there knows that its hard to get sponsors for your car nowadays. I lost something cause there's not chance for me to get away from the idra and continental to race my favorite tracks. THANKS IDRA FOR THE VASLENINE U GAVE ME FELT GREAT
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Post by wondering on Feb 24, 2012 10:46:13 GMT -5
what tracks are with the idra this year?
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Post by In the Stands on Feb 24, 2012 13:42:57 GMT -5
Anti Irda,
Where can we get a copy of your news letter?
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Post by sponsor lose on Feb 24, 2012 13:51:53 GMT -5
How does the idra make you lose a sponsor? I guess I don't get that part. Maybe it's because the sponsor doesn't have the money to give away or is cutting back. I see it more and more there are less sponsorships given out and yes they are harder to get.
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Post by just a driver on Feb 24, 2012 16:22:17 GMT -5
my sponser's have come down to the track and see things happen with the idra offical's. It wasn't about the money it's the negitive they have seen with the idra officals. They dont want there name in assoication with the idra. They also informed me that if i wasnt a idra member i would clearly get my sponsership back and be glade to sponser me again.
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Post by Racer on Feb 24, 2012 16:35:10 GMT -5
Sorry to hear on ur sponsership thats never a good thing to loose no matter what the reason is. In the stands does have a good question where could we get a copy of ur news letter and when and how often does it come out?
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Post by Anti Idra on Feb 24, 2012 17:20:02 GMT -5
Thanks for all the question's and thought's, Id like to start at the news letter, anyone who email's me will be given a news letter. Now i know that there will be some idra member's reading this or will get a copy of it and that is clearly fine. My email is AntiIdra@gmail.com only those who email this will recieve the news letter as of right now. How often i send the new's letter's out is once to twice a month. But this will change when race season get's started. Thank's for the question's and thought's. Another topic id like to adress is wondering asked what track's are part of the idra. It was mentioned above not all track's are with the idra this year. Is this correct? I would like to know that information. Just a driver, Im sorry to hear u lost sponser's this clearly why i sgguest people have the chance not to be a member, Thank's for the insite on that very sad u had to experience this and mess up your racing game. But on the plus side of it im glade u came out with it so other's can see the effect's of the idra and action's they do and what it does to the driver's. I personaly didn't think it was going to be that sever to the driver being a part of the idra, But i clearly see now it is affecting in more way's then what's mentioned. Idra want's more car's but as just a driver state there action's made him loose sponser's now if he wasn't a part of that he would clearly still have his sponser's or get them back. IDRA see your effect's? Do you see where the trouble is? This board is here it's being posted and there is people not happy and upset and wish for change and thing's to be done right. If someone reached in ur pocket idra offical's and took out ur money how would u react? Everyone know's people don't like there money messed with. See the action's embarace the ablitly to take notice. Im not the one who is going out recruting people, The idra is doing that for me. The negitive they are doing and effect's it has on people is way beyond what people are going to put up with. This won't go away by ignoring this it will contuine to build idra. Sooner or later u will make more and more people upset and they will turn for thing's to be done right and stand there ground and when that happen's there's no giving. If every driver walked up to the idra and said stop. what would the idra be able to do? majority does make people take a look at the situation on a deeper level. As far as me helping the idra? Well i brought it out to ur attention. And someone has emailed me that i have met with that is part of the idra and they have read this but havent responded. Surprise Surprise. Many have vaild points on rules posted ahead of time. Many have said use the resorce's. This forum is free no cost. You do have a website it should be used and if it's un usable u need to fix it. As far as racer post sorry u lost the fun in this and to racer also sorry u lost the fun ill step up and say that it shouldn't be that way. I have nothing to say against any track's. as the track's do there job as providing a track for us to race at. So i will not discuss the tracks thats not what this is to. This is straight to the Idra. Any question's or want more answer's call me out on it i will do something the idra wont do and that is answer.
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Post by Stock Driver on Feb 24, 2012 17:33:44 GMT -5
Anti Idra,
If your going to put this much effort into being Anti Idra, why don't you just start up your own association?
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Post by In the Stands on Feb 24, 2012 17:47:09 GMT -5
I have been a fan of figure 8 racing for the past 15 years and have traveled to many tracks around Iowa. I don't know much about the Idra but know that the 4 eastern tracks are on the same page with car rules. I think the Idra is involved with this and it is a very good thing. I know drivers around central Iowa and they can only run 1 track due to all the different rules at the surrounding tracks. Those are the drivers and fans that should be upset!! Also just my opinion but I think the Figure 8 racing in Brooklyn, Barnes City, Sigourney is far better the past couple of years than at any other track in the state! My hat goes out to those drivers and the tracks for putting on such a great show!!!!!!!
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Post by Anti Idra on Feb 24, 2012 18:23:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses first ill start with stock driver. As far as starting up my own association at this time it wouldn't be best to do. There's enough troubles with what the idra is doing that starting up another association to compete is not really the way to go. Reason for this is because then u still have to deal with the idra and the tracks they are at. And if drivers can't get the idra to answer now I don't believe another association could get the idra to answer or comply either. Also on the side of the tracks I don't think in my thoughts they would like some other group to contend with. But maybe i will think about running a point system well designed for the driver's were sponsors that are Willing to support the trophys. Ill keep a open mind with that that may be something that could be a benifical for the drivers without being involved at the rules track and other gruff. Ill keep that in mind and think about that deeply.
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Post by Anti Idra on Feb 24, 2012 18:34:19 GMT -5
In the stands, My hat is off to you thanks for being a fan of racing for as long as u have I know us driver's appreciate you being a loyal fan. So thanks for being a fan. As far as rules go ill address that ya nobody likes to not be on the same page and have to fight them from track to track that's for sure. But on the down side this part will spark the attention there are techs that do over step there bounds alot and I'm sure u heard this many times it who u know. That has gotten to the part of the idra. I do agree that same page is nice and all this talk I appreciate the rules not being a focus of this. Ya the racing has gotten better at the tracks. As driver's and fan's of racing we tend to see along happen the most don't see. The down side of this car count has dropped alot also. Is the idra part of the eastern tracks?
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