Idra or no Idra

[Anti Irda]

First off i want to ask where the idra is and where they been? Second off i have huge beef's with the idra. Since the idra has been started i have went along with what the idra said. Last year at the track's ive heard more and more people say they wish there wasn't a idra. People who was people involved are no long involved. This idra thing in my thought's is a joke. I have looked at it from the good and the bad. The only accomplishment i see and truely hear all alot of people speak on is they got the track's in a agreeded scedule. Ok congrad's is due where it is earned. But also thumb's down is given on where it's due also. I thought everyone the drove at track's was a idra member? Didn't the track's pay for this? I see no benfit to the track's on this besides the scedule. And don't even go on to say the rule's is in compliance cause ive walked around at every track that the idra is in association with and talked with many people and they are all complaining about it. Ya u will always have negivative and you will always have the postive, but when is enough enough? Where's the idra now? I have seen no contact to driver's on any idra meeting. Who elected these idra member's? I know from speaking with the other's they have said that they didnt even know there was meeting's. So as any racer out there that is all suppose to be a idra member where is ur meeting's when are u going to notifiy the track's and driver's and there pit crew about these meeting's? Idra suppose to stand for iowa dirt racing association. Where's the association? Where is what the idra said they were going to do? Where is these bio's that was suppose to be put in a booklet that u handed out to all these people? Sound's really fishy when u dont have answer's and nobody is willing to answer to the public or driver's about this. Idra had a banquet and they gave thing's out to the member's. Ok aint every driver that race a member? Where are they mentioned or is this a select few people truely running this show? Where's these answer's? Why wasn't the idra website updated? What has the idra accutally done all this time? I have had a meeting with a few people who dont believe in the idra and i would like to know who else believe's the idra doesn't belong in this situation. Also the people running the idra maybe aint doing what there suppose to be doing? Before u go and say doing this is a hard job then maybe u shouldnt have taken the job if u can't handle it. You don't see someone 4 foot guy apply for a job that require's u to reach ten foot from ground with no help now do u ? If u say if u dont like what the idra is doing then fix it well then give the driver's piut crew and the public the option to decided who should be in charge cause i have not been told or shown how this was all brought about. I will contuine to hold meeting's with any people who would also like to attend these meeting's about the idra that they don't agree with. I can give each person who is willing to attend besid's idra offical's the opptunnity the experess there concern's. Has the idra wronged you in any way? Do u feel thing's are unjust? Would u like answer's? Yes i believe every driver deserves these answer's and has a right to them. If the idra refuse's to answer these then all that is shown is the ablitly of the idra to keep things hush and not answering for there action's. If u believe the idra need's to answer some question's or be responsible and any way shape or forum speak your mind and say it cause i will say that sitting there letting them do unjust thing's and not answering is not what there job is. And is not what the idra was suppose to stand for. Let your voice be heard no longer sit there and say hey im going with the flow. Do i believe that the people that is doing this is bad people? NO i do not believe that i believe the postion is not suit them and is not the best place for them to be. Again i will state if u cant do ur job as a idra member then u need to step down and let someone else do the job you are unable to do. Excuse's are not acceptable. Fact's are Fact's. For the last 8 month's i have been putting out a news letter email to drivers and fan's and crew people who wish to be on this mailing list on the thought's and expression's of the driver's. Why don't driver's step up and take a stand? Cause u try to rail road them and accutally don't listen to them at all. So as of now for anyone who doesn't believe in the idra i will speak out. Who like's it the old way where the track's took care of the rule's? If you have any concern's with the idra and would like the expressed you may be say so on here and i don't need your name if u don't want to give it cause i clearly understand why nobody would want to give there name. But i would love to hear how u feel about the idra if they cant listen to fan's track's,river's then maybe going this way will spark a huge attention. If this grow's the attention that i believe it does then the idra will have no option but to deal with these answer's that they have been avoiding. So let's here it speak what u have to say if u hate what i say then say it if u agree on anyhting or all of it say it if ive missed something say it. Want me to get answer's from the idra then ask me to get the answer's and i will keep at it till those answer's are spoke for.

[figure 8 driver]

I agree i would like the answers to these questions and to anti idra im glade someone is standing up for this. its like a bunch of idiots walking around is what it mounts to not one person has a clue whats going on

[race fan for long time]

ive been a fan for figure 8 racing for a long time i have sat in the stands and sat in the pits and watch drivers and people wearing drivers shirts complain, its a sad day when the drivers and people wearing there shirts are complaing and the idra is not listening i agree that if people want answers they should be given answers expecially the drivers cause without the drivers there would be no idra out there. anti irda? ok to you sorry you have to resort to this to get there attention but maybe this will gain a group together that dont believe in this type of actions and i stand strong i believe ur doing a good thing standing for anyone who feels negiative about this and i have to say im impressed when i read this that u also applauded them for getting schdule's down. i think u are taking into deep consideration both sides of this and willing to give the credit where its due but willing to call out what is wrong.

[ex driver]

all the idra is is a bunch of people tring to play dad to the other people tring to be something if they had love for the sport they would let the tracks do there job no intefer or try and push there weight when jason did the iowa krazy 8 he didnt push nothing and he had a alot bigger turn out then the idra had food for thought

[facebook junkie]

i was sent this from someone on facebook. ABOUT TIME SOMEONE CALLED THEM OUT ON IT GO ANTI IDRA LET THEM HAVE IT. I AGREE WITH EVERYYHING YOU SAID!!!

[Quit Racing]

IDRA stands for Idiots dare run assoication ;D

[stock driver]

i race stock i quit being a part of the idra for my own reasons that i believe in and i got to say i do see your point when i sit and really think about it. Im curious though where do u stand on the result of this?

[Anti Irda]

My resolution to this would be hold a meeting before hand at each track have a voting box that each driver can put in what they would like to happen. This way there is no track driver's that is left out se what the majority says. Leave it up to the one's who do the work of racin and come's down. Give the fan's the chance to express there thought's in a box. Cause you can't have a show without both.

[83T Jerrod Thompson]

Anti idra, quick question. If you have been having meetings about these items then when or where was it made public for all those to attend? You say for last 8 months? First i have seen anything on it. As for letting the tracks dictate there own rules like ir was in the past, i am not for. One track says car is legal to run but the other says that its not. Was not a fan of that. On the topic of rules it would be great if we had a set out prior to 2 months before start of season. If there are no changes then post that. I understand that there was problems with the website, and updating information on it, thats fine and understandable, but this message board has been up and working all along. I know that having helpers and the time to do things is hard. Also to (anti idra) two years ago when the idra started they held open meetings for everyone to attend, thats when we voted on the people to run the idra. I am npt saying that everything has been done correctly with the idra, but i dont see you steping up to fix it or to offer help. I am not the person for that job. I am just a driver. Not sure what the need for name calling and down grading of other does to help other than make less people willing to help. I dont have a problem putting my name to what i have to say. Just my honest opinions. Instead of getting people to go against it, maybe try to get people to help it.

[Anti Idra]

To ur answer 83T. First off as for the rules there is nothing in compliance with it I have talked to many people and heard them complain on the rules. I have still seen the same thing happen where its legal one spot and not another. I do appreciate the response to this and he openness to that. I have talked with many people and also they didn't even know were meetings were when and how. Here's a question back how was the people notified of the meetings? As far as the meetings go yes I haven't made it public till this point u are correct. I have been slowly building on this. I have listened to people who have tried to help the idea and yet they keep not wanting to help themselves. I do understand what ur saying on trying to help but you can only help someone or something that wants help or can say we need help. Or is willing to help themselves. As names go no that's not happening I've watched many people dis people coming forward complaining and all they got was retaliation. For someone coming forward who's got there back? Whoa going to stand by there aide when they give them the shaft? Will u do it? Just a question is all. I have nothing against you u have always drove verrry clean in my book. But I think in a post on here I did say take it to every track not a hidden place somewhere to where the opptnnitty is there for all drivers to be there. One person said what's the point of saying something to them when they don't care to listen about 20 of us have brought forth things to idea and they have just brushed it under the rug. Myself and others feels that the idea is doing what happened before not following the own set of rules and things. If there's anything I can clearly or I have missed clearly call me out on it and I'll answer ur questions thanks for the open thoughts jerrod

[Open Driver]

Anti idra I see alot of ur points and as a open class driver I have seen many times where anyone who comes forward gets fed over. Some reason I feel that this ain't going to go away anytime soon u seem to be putting alot of effort into this.If u tried putting half this effort into the idra and they didn't do anything then its the idra loss.You sound like a very intelligence man and I'm sure that you have your reasons for not putting your name out there but I will continue to read this post or any post you post as long as this is in a open forum. And within taste I'm not a fan of the idra either. As 83t said this forum is here and the idra could have posted things and negligence is not excuse. Weather this is a complain board or not doesn't really matter.Avoiding the questions the people want answers to is not a way of getting more people supporting the idra. I personally can't support a organization that can't answer to things. I would like to have the oppuntunity to not have to pay the idra 5 extra dollars at the track. I don't want my money going to the idra in anyway. I would rather go to the track and pay the track people 5 extra dollars for the tracks cause that's what I'm supporting. Heck I'd pay ten extra dollars to run a track that wasn't with the idra. As far as name calling goes I haven't seen u name call anyone I have seen u say if the person can't do the job then step down let someone who does want to and can do it. As a open class driver i don't like the idea that all u have is open class drivers in control of the group. My thoughts are someone from each class should be a part of it elected by its pears to be a representative of the idra.

[Garage Worker]

anti irda and others reading this,
i want to say im not brining my name forward i allready got issues going on to deal with. But i diffrently like to get on this mailing list you have. Diffrently like to attend one of your meetings. As rules go i wont get into that. But as far as what ive read on here and from the looks of the amount of people who have read this post and the respones u must clearly have peoples attention. Something i will say if someone like yourself can gain a crowd like this on a post on whats going on and the idra aint gaining the crowd then there must be something not working. My question i would like to know from you anti idra what pushed u over the line to go to do this? Im not upset or irrated by this im curious to know what made u be pushed this far that made u come out like this? Something must have happened to push u over the line.

[Anti Idra]

Mr Garage Worker,
Thanks for the comment's. First i will go on by saying that when i sat in the end field bleacher's watching a race i was on the end of it where all the drivers and pit crew walk trough to drawl there number. That day i seen the irda not follow rule's i watched people talk to other's about how this is crap that if u try to bring something to the idra and they get mad ur on the perment list of the case of the a**. I watched one of the idra member's talk with a driver and man was i disgusted. The thing's the idra offical who was wearing a shirt said to that driver that was clearly asking question's blew my mind. In my entire life of racing i have never been so embarassed to be part of a group of people that allows there personal feelings to a driver affect there ablitly to do the job they are suppose to be doing for the love of the sport. That night it ruined the whole night of racing at this track. No it wasn't the track it was the idra. Shirt clearly states the idra. I watched a offical from the track come over and try and defend the driver and thought someone finally is doing the right thing. But the idra walked away. The next race i proceeded to keep a eye out for this guy as to see what was going to happen. Man Oh Man did that driver get the case of the crap from the idra the same offical and another one. The driver clearly said i see how this goes and walks away and the idra offical said something smart in reatation to it that was not in the best of words and cant put on here cause tring to keep this a clean perfessional manner. I was floored on how disrespectful they were to this guy. I then contuined to check on the idra and see how thing's were being brought forward and seen bio paper's handed out and not been done. Ive started to talk to people and listen to people and one comment i heard was that once one person give's the track a bad name make's it bad for every driver. Some may not be willing to step up and said it but at this time i feel it's time to step up and make a statement and bring the idra right to the front line. If the idra want's to be in charge then they need to answer or your clearly not doing what u said they were doing. As a association the defention is clear and i will post the defiention out there what it mean's...... An organized body of people who have an interest, activity, or purpose in common; a society. If the people are not in common with this and have the same intrest that the idra has then thing's need to change. Why don't i step up and help? Ive tried that and seen first hand how it went no where. I will not state my name as of yet. When the time is correct i will state my name and reason's. As meeting's i have organized goes i have brought these meeting forward by speaking with people and knowing where they stand so im clearly on the same page with other's who believe in the same thing. If i brought out my name now the action's taken against me will be great and to have a band of people on ur side is far greater then a band of people who just say they will. Do i have a agenda in mind? Yes i do. With this agenda i have in mind is only set in motion by the action's of the idra. Idra can clearly fix there problem's and this all could fade. If idra contuines to go on and not adress these issue's this will contuine to build and when it comes to the front line there will be no backing down in agreement's. To the one's that is supporting this im putting together a packet that will clearly let every non idra offical clearly speak out on the thought's and will give to the idra. The idra will have the list of complaint's of action's they have done and then we will wait to see there respones. I will say im not blowing smoke. Im very serious about this and the people who is affected by this. I will state for the record i haven't name called anyone im clearly calling out what is wrong and demanding thing's change. There are plenty of vounteer's out there who would be willing to step up and do the job but that's not for them to decided its for alll the driver's to decided. And the idra hasn't give all the driver's the opptunity to speak on this. I feel this is wrong unfair to drivers member's of the idra. Going along with a problem is not solving a problem that is like one person told me thats like standing in a bucket tring to pull yourself up what are u accutally doing.

[fan in the stands]

anti idra i have a question for you. When your talking about the driver's not being notified or the chance to express there thought's what's the driver's that you have spoke said on this? I know im just a fan and my thought's dont matter but im wanting to know your thought's.

[Anti Idra]

Fan in the stands,
Your thought's do matter you as a fan in the stand make's the driver's also enjoy this sport and the ablility to perform in front of all of you. I know from some of the driver's we like knowing what make's the fan's happy so we can give a great show. What other driver's i have spoke with have said and this is a vague answer but hope it answer's your question. Driver's say they cant just drop what there doing to be somewhere also they said they didnt know there was a idra election or they would have been there. They also said at the track's that they raced at nothing was given to them or said there was a meeting coming up or available. The track's is where there driver's are at and in my own thought's you go where the people are at. If the driver's are at the track's that's where you present it to them. Have a simple piece of paper at the pit entery or a board posted at pit entry to show the driver's that they have the chance to speak there mind and express there thought's. First step to any thing in accomplishment is bring it to everyone's attention. If everyone's attention is not brought to then the job hasn't been productively done correctly and problem's begin. As for people that say rule's. I will state that the rule's need to be in the process well enough in advance and no adding to the rule's through the race season that leave's to much room for vague room and situation's. If you dont want something state it in the rule's and take the time to put it in there. But if race season has started dont change to your thought's my thought's is and im sure this could be a huge agreement. In racing there is no common rule. Common rule is not written down and never work's. Also i believe that the ablility for safety should be added at anytime. Safety is alway's a 1st in the rules of racing and should always have the ablity to change to safety. I hope that answered your question and if i didn't answer all feel free to call me out on it and i will do so.